National venture philanthropy organization New Profit recently paired donors with social entrepreneurs from their community for candid conversations on the future of social problem-solving.

These "unlikely duos" were given thought-provoking questions to respond to and discuss on the spot, and we were able to see where a conversation can go when it’s centered on getting to know another person and her or his perspective, rather than the technical aspects of change-making.

In Episode two, venture capitalist and education philanthropist Steve Arnold (Polaris Partners) spoke with social entrepreneur Phyllis Lockett (LEAP Innovations) to discuss the importance of using evidence and outcomes. Watch what they had to say above.

Want to learn more about the participants? Giving Compass caught up with Steve Arnold to discuss using evidence in education and tips for other philanthropists.